State of The Program, 2024

  • Defensive culture ingrained to the point of neglect on the offensive side
  • Pace of play can be as harmful as helpful and increases variance – often not appropriate depending on the opponent or situation and limits tactical options
  • Increased pressure on every possession and unwillingness to take risk, shoot, etc.
  • Limited offensive focal points
  • Predictable and outdated offensive systems
  • Unwillingness to target mismatches
  • Unwillingness to alter or play outside of systems to address the moment
  • Unwillingness to lean on/play through offensive role players outside of how they typically interface with focal offensive players
  • Philosophical dissonance around lineup alignment with team core strategies

16 responses to “State of The Program, 2024”

  1. kendallhowell Avatar
    kendallhowell

    I love you.

    1. Cuts from The Corner Avatar

      Thank you! And I, you.

  2. Mark Avatar
    Mark

    Incredible material .

    1. Cuts from The Corner Avatar

      Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it (and stuck with its length)!

  3. Murph Avatar
    Murph

    epic and searing insight on my only rooting interest in team sports!

  4. GTA Avatar
    GTA

    The refusal by CTB to act like the 800lb gorilla when he is one has always been galling. We’re not the spunky upstart anymore, we’re the more talented team most of the time. Play like it. Teams hammer our weak points with their strengths all the time – we should do the same.

    Agree with basically this entire post. I’m deeply pessimistic about next year, but the good news is even with all the negatives, we were still 3rd in the ACC this year. Our sky is falling years are still better than 95% of the CBB landscape’s good years.

  5. Wahoodrew Avatar
    Wahoodrew

    Great in depth analysis. Please slide this under Tony’s office door!

  6. Ken Avatar

    Enjoyed your (yes it was long) informative discussion on the state of UVABball. Mostly in agreement with your insights. No portal movement yet but not sure some wouldn’t be good if we CTB could be the one to choose who goes! (New reader; just stumbled in you. Not sure why I missed you before.)

    1. Cuts from The Corner Avatar

      Thanks and welcome!

  7. Jim Gillespie Avatar
    Jim Gillespie

    Thank you for the very insightful analysis! 247 Sports has a piece on how the starting lineups of the Final Four teams ranked as recruits. It’s stunning, really. Many more three star than five star recruits there. It’s a reminder that how you manage your talent and your roster really matters.

  8. Larry J Avatar
    Larry J

    Playing Taine over Rhode had better metrics but Rhode came in with better skill sets in almost every category. Taine is a below average ACC basketball player. He is not a good defensive player however his has improved over the years. The roster management by CTB was very poor. He waited until the last 10 games to decide on Taine as the first off the bench unless it was Blake for Minor. In the last 10 games we went 5-5 and in the last two games where Taine started we went 0-2 and TN was 3-12 (25%) from the field with many unseen lapses on defense. Bottom line is Taine played and Gertrude & Bond watched. The team had big mental confidence issues stemming from Taine playing over more talented players that quite frankly dominated Taine in practice. Teams that do not have confidence in coaching decisions get blown out by 25 points in a play-in game against a team with a similar talent. The changes need to happen as your article depicts, 1. Take the first available good shot/don’t pass up a good shot for a bad shot up against the clock. 2. Play your best players 3. Stay with the pack-line just adjust to cover the 3 and quicker rotation on pick and roles.

    1. Cuts from The Corner Avatar

      Taine was a much better shooter than Rohde and straight-line driver, which is why he eventually played over him. Their defense ended up being negligible by the end although Rohde was better before the foot. CTB clearly wanted Rohde to be the guy and didn’t adjust soon enough when he wasn’t; at least how he was being used.

      Agreed Gertrude and Bond should have played, though.

  9. Go Hoos Avatar
    Go Hoos

    Agree with the great majority of this. A few thoughts.

    Redshirting seems like a red herring. As you’ve written in the past, there are two types of redshirts: planned and surprise. Planned redshirts do not seem to create retention/continuity risk. It’s logical that surprise redshirts would create continuity risk in the free agency era, but there isn’t data to support that conclusion. We’ve only had two surprise redshirts in the free agency era. Gertrude had his shirt pulled only to rack up DNPCDs, and still isn’t leaving. Traudt left after the RS year, but it’s not clear whether he would have left anyway or, if he’d stayed, whether he’d have developed into a meaningful contributor.  

    More importantly, there isn’t data supporting any contention that surprise redshirts actually helped continuity before the free agency era. The only surprise redshirt that clearly added to continuity was Dev. Bumping his career out a year, trading his first year for his fifth, no question that was beneficial to continuity. This didn’t happen with the other surprise redshirts (Johnson, Jesperson, Dre, Traudt, Gert). The redshirt delayed giving them in-game developmental minutes, which is a bad thing for continuity, and we didn’t/won’t get a fifth year back to make up for it. This is just the nature of being a “system” program. Players need in-game developmental minutes to reveal and reach their potential. It’s a bad thing for continuity if your unproven players remain unproven. So I’m on board that we should stop surprise redshirting. But not because it was so great for us, and now the game has changed. Rather because it has likely has been a negative for continuity. (Not to mention, we don’t want to be the “they redshirt everyone” team on the recruiting trail.) 

    Second, the skill sets we are (and are not) recruiting as of late do not seem to match our style of low-possession play. Seems pretty clear over the years that, to have a good offense, regardless of scheme, we need three quality 3 point shooters and some post presence on the floor. And at the level we recruit, the right expectation is that many players will not work out, so you have to over-recruit skill sets. Our recruiting the past few years has a severe top of funnel problem on both shooting and post play. It’s exacerbated by lack of continuity, but we simply aren’t recruiting the volume of players with those skill sets that we need. 

    Specifically, the shift from base 3 guard to 4 guard seems problematic to me. We took about twice as many bigs in Tony’s first seven recruiting cycles as we did his last seven. Is it surprising that our frontcourt play has deteriorated? And the last seven cycles include more (much more on a % basis) upperclassmen transfer bigs who destroy continuity, exacerbating things. I also think about realistic recruiting targets. Big men who can handle packline responsibilities and provide a credible post scoring threat are few and far between. We typically have to sacrifice on something. We used to aim to pair a big who can do one of those things with a big who can do the other. Now we can’t divide responsibilities, and limitations become more pronounced.  

    Additionally, the shift to 4 guard has meant swapping a 4/5 combo player for a 3/4 combo. We’ve recruited that position fairly well post-Dre. Here’s the list: Hauser, McKoy, Murphy, Igor, Traudt, Dunn, BVP, Groves. There are good players on this list, NBA players. But every contributor was a one-year rental or left for the NBA very early. Every contributor destroyed continuity. Even Dre only gave us two years on the court, and if he’d not broken his wrists in 2018, there’s a good chance we’d have only gotten one year from him. One could argue we’re the victim of our own recruiting success at this position, but I’d say it’s a very bad thing if a “system” program is dependent NBA talent to have a functional offense, let alone if that talent is best identified through the portal. 

    The other missing skill set is shooting. Go back a couple years with me. We knew what we had in Beekman from the jump — i.e., we obviously needed to surround him with quality shooters. You bring up the folly of pairing him with another limited shooter at the 1/2. I’ll bring up that, knowing who Beekman was, we took Harris, Bond, Dunn, Gertrude, BVP, and Rohde in rapid succession. That’s a couple known non-shooters, a couple recruits who were not known for shooting, and a couple transfers who were inconsistent from 3 at a lower level. This is a massive over-investment of scholarships in players that are unlikely to co-exist well with our starting point guard. 

    And by investing scholarships in those players, we limited scholarships available for players that profiled as high potential to be quality shooters. This, too, is a change. In Tony’s first seven classes, we only took one guard who profiled as ‘plus athlete / poor shooter’. That was Justin, and obviously I’m glad we landed him. But across those classes, while we had plenty of bad evals, took plenty of “reach” prospects, and there was still enough shooting top of funnel. We play four guard now, so there’s room to diversify guard skill sets a little bit, but certainly we can’t sacrifice shooting to the point that we enter a season with only three players who can reliably hit an undefended 3. That top of funnel problem leads to flawed players like Murray or Stattmann coming out the bottom of the funnel because they can at least offer some floor spacing. It leads to players like BVP or Groves forced out of position at the 5 to try to accommodate poor shooters elsewhere. To put that another another way, if a thought experiment where UVA runs everyone out of the gym resonates, if our roster can support doing that, then our recruiting has failed. And IMO that failure is not lack of ‘talent’ or an inability to close recruits we are prioritizing. As you say, these kids grew up on Steph and there are more/better 3 point shooters now than there used to be. 

    Changing gears a bit, underfunding critical skill sets makes it very difficult to evaluate scheme. The more limited your players are, the more predictable they are, the more predictable your team is, regardless of your scheme. This is a basic example, but I’m not going to blame a scheme for not generating 3s when most possessions this year we had a guard standing at the 3 point line completely undefended. We should be talking about scheme changes in terms of a being good on offense vs being elite. Whatever limitations our various schemes have, they aren’t responsible for us being bad on offense. And to be clear, I’m not defending sides or flow or triangle. We should get an offensive mind on the staff, or if we already have one on staff, we should listen to him. We should dedicate more than 20% of practice time to offense, if that’s all we’re doing now. But it doesn’t matter what schemes we run or how much we practice them unless we recruit the skill sets necessary for a low possession team to be successful.  

    Last thing, you say it doesn’t seem coincidental that not playing our best lineups started right around the same time the free agency era started. But a lot of things happened in that time frame (in terms of recruiting cycles and related implications). The Big3 left; 2 of them unexpectedly. Nazis screwed up recruiting. Evals were limited by covid. And we were slow to implement NIL. There was going to be some step back after the title, no matter what Tony did. But IMO the single biggest factor has been that we changed direction on roster/lineup construction and skill set priorities on the trail. Players from the old recruiting model rolled off through 2021. And, starting in 2022, lineup decisions became chaotic. The transition would have been more gradual but for Sam and Murph juicing the offense in 2021 and destroying continuity that offseason.

  10. kendallhowell Avatar
    kendallhowell

    Okay, it’s been a week. You can’t uncork a masterpiece like this and then not follow it up. When’s the next post? (Sorry to be so greedy!)

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