Hopes For 2023-2024: Playing Time and Rotations

Potential is one of those loaded words. For players, it’s their ultimate ceiling if everything comes together: their knowledge of the game, their skill, their strength and conditioning to become the best (or as close as they can) version of themselves. It’s hard to objectively calculate because it’s impossible to fully know, and when people use the term, their criteria is almost never exactly the same as anyone else’s. For example, Steph Curry was a special player at Davidson, but few thought his potential was to redefine shot selection and the entire game of basketball. His potential was tied, in addition to his work ethic, to his other-worldly hand-eye co-ordination. So, there’s a lot that goes into it, it’s hard to project with 100% accuracy, and one of the best players of the modern era fell to the mid-first round.

That being said, at the simplest level, most easily assessed and consistently applied, there’s a baseline of player’s ultimate potential that’s typically associated with the natural physical traits that augment their already established ability. That’s because you can often improve your knowledge of the game through study, repetition and experience, and you can often improve your skill through practice and hard work; but you can’t move the needle on height or reach and you can only gain so much on base explosion and athleticism. It’s why the NBA is so meticulous about this stuff. At one point, height was the main measurement. Now it’s height, wingspan, standing reach, standing vertical jump, max vertical jump, shuttle, lane agility, and sprint speed… a full picture of how much ground you can cover; your ability to get to and impact the ball in a game with limited horizontal space where how quickly you can get to (or above) 10ft. matters a lot. Additionally, shooting accuracy coupled with your ability to be able to get your most accurate shots off or to keep your opponents from doing the same. It’s NOT the end-all-be all. Curry is a great example of this where immaculate skill and work ethic can supersede even the most athletically gifted players in the world. I watched his interview on Hot Ones recently and he talked about the value of going to Davidson because he could actually play his first year rather than sitting on the bench as he would have at a bigger school, which helped him to grow into the player he is today – a relevant point for later as I’ll make the case to expand the rotation and get more guys time on the floor. But, to complete the point about potential, in most cases skill, opportunity and work ethic coupled with a high level of athleticism has been most reliably successful over the history of the sport.

Sometimes discussions around potential can be challenging ones to have within our fan base. We’re a program, after all, built around, and prideful of, our ability to surpass expectations. Through hard work, development, coaching, pillars, experience, and solid fundamentals, our ability to play effective and winning basketball against more talented or naturally gifted teams has been the hallmark of the CTB era. It’s a source of identity. Yet, it’s no coincidence that the year we won the National Championship, we had 6 guys on the roster who either were drafted or have seen time in a regular season NBA game; including three draft picks one of whom was the #4 overall pick. De’Andre Hunter and Reece Beekman have been two of the best defenders in the CTB era, augmented by coaching and the system. But their respective 7’2″ and 6’7″ wingspans have certainly helped their ability to suffocate players possessing similar height and quickness. The most dominant season we’ve seen during the CTB era from an advanced metrics standpoint was Justin Anderson in 2014-2015; who improved his shot dramatically the offseason prior, but was also probably the single most athletically gifted player we’ve seen over the same time…. For as much as CTB elevates a program through his coaching and system, we still need to field as much high-end talent as possible to maximize our results, as it should go without saying. And, when he does get those kinds of players, magical things can happen; such as our stretch of repeated #1 seeds and eventual championship.

The goal is always to win as much hardware as possible, and to do that, you need as many of those kinds of players as possible; guys who can elevate your team and BE the primary driver of your success against the highest level of competition. You hope to develop/acquire, in some way or another, a tipping point of those kinds of guys. Then you build around them with complementary pieces who can play a role on the team/provide a needed skillset or two to complete the roster and maximize your top talent, or your differentiators. When you look at the title team, come tournament time, Jerome, Guy, Hunter, and Diakite were these kinds of guys, while Clark, Key, Salt (and Huff when he got time) were good, in some cases great complementary pieces who could provide what the roster needed to complement and take advantage of the at times dominant (offensively or defensively, or both) qualities of the other four. Two years later, Murphy, Hauser, and Huff were these kinds of guys but we didn’t have enough complementary shooters or scorers off of the bounce to maximize their abilities.

The problem that we’ve had in most recent years is that some of our most featured and beloved players have NOT been these types of players. Guys like Kihei Clark and Jayden Gardner had, within expected reason, maximized their ceiling by the end of their careers here, developing into about as complete of players as they reasonably could be expected (Gardner may have been able to improve his outside shot more). But they were miscast as “THE” guys when they would have been much better served as incredibly capable role players who could get you a bucked (or get a bucket for someone else). There’s plenty of room for players like this when roster building – Clark was the starting PG on a championship team that was chock full of shooters and size and Gardner took over the ACC Tournament last year until he ran into Duke’s size – it’s just that you don’t want your roster construction (or philosophy) to have to force volume through these players or to be so reliant on them that you can’t afford to pull them when the matchup dictates (i.e. their offense dries up or we can’t find an effective defensive assignment for them). Instead, you need a critical mass of players who will either reliably lift your team offensively regardless of opponent or who are capable of locking down their man (at least making them much less effective) on defense regardless of the opponent and ideally they do both. Keep in mind that the end goal isn’t beating average teams by more, it’s being able to beat those teams AND being able to beat great teams.

Considering that, last season, I would have looked at all of Beekman (especially pre-injury), Franklin (if playing the 2), McKneely, Dunn, Bond, Traudt, and Shedrick as being capable of being these kinds of players either if they were playing really well last year or, in some cases, projecting toward the future after development. Do I know for sure they will be? Certainly not, and this is where we get into the “potential” discussion when it comes to roster construction. Who is or isn’t capable of being the kind of plus player who differentiates you from other teams and is, more or less, opponent agnostic? Can they be the reason that you’re competitive against the toughest competition (Beekman), are they capable of complementing that kind of talent and providing a necessary skillset or exploiting certain matchups (Gardner), or are they likely to be a detriment in those kinds of situations and/or the kind of player who you could easily replace upgrade in the portal (IMO, Murray)?

It’s with this baseline, in the wake of my previous offseason articles around opportunities for improvement and our four incoming transfers, that I hope to frame this piece. Which is to say, in a perfect world, what do I hope will happen this upcoming season, how should we distribute our playing time, and how do we better toe that line of competing as hard as we can this year without sacrificing our future talent?

Updating The Philosophy

This may come as a surprise given my review of his game basically stating that I think he’s being slept on in terms of his quality as a talented point guard. But, the return of Reece Beekman changes everything. Harris is lightning quick, can create his own shot in the midrange and at the rim very well (although he sometimes struggles to finish in traffic), can hound and pressure the ball, and is a good distributor. The problem is he’s no Reece Beekman, who is just a better player in almost every way except for maybe creating his own midrange jumper. This team will be best served by finally giving the lion’s share of playmaking abilities to Beekman, who is the most realized version of skill + potential on the roster, and filling around him with as much shooting, size, and athleticism as possible. Especially with both Andrew Rohde and the likely improvement of Isaac McKneely’s handle to shoulder secondary ball-handler responsibilities, I’d love for us to get away from the dual PG lineups and to use Harris as a true backup to Beekman. I imagine there could be the occasional circumstance where they’re sharing court time to break a press, pressure the ball, etc., but I mostly hope that they will be a mirror of each other’s time. When one is sitting, the other is playing and vice versa. Given that Beekman is gone after this year and Harris has used his transfer, there’s very little risk with regard to losing him long term so there’s really no need to force the non-complementary skillset on the floor at the same time. Harris can take a full year playing behind and learning from Beekman prior to taking the starting reigns next year and mentoring Christian Bliss as he enters the program. This is on par with Murray PT as my biggest worry headed into this season; knowing how much CTB likes to have multiple ball handlers on the floor, and being unsure of how married to that concept he is of if he just liked Kihei Clark (or, for that matter, Beekman) THAT much. If McKneely and Rohde can carry those secondary responsibilities, it will keep some of these rotations viable and allow for some Elijah Gertrude and Leon Bond time. Speaking of…

Expectations for Elijah Gertrude’s immediate impact have seemingly been muted, perhaps due to the knee injury that he suffered last season from which he is still on the road to recovery; targeting the beginning of this season. Even still, it’s been said time and time again that CTB has NEVER had an athlete on his roster like Elijah Gertrude. Just look at that photo! He’s an inch shorter there than he is now and his head is almost at the rim with his hands above the box. His athleticism, effortless bounce, and the way he moves just pops from the tape. This is the kind of player we don’t often land and the kind of player we could easily lose, especially if he works his way back to full health only to sit.

A quick respite from the Gertrude focus to make this point as it’s most applicable here. Back at the start of this article, I spoke about potential – who are the kinds of players who have the ability to differentiate you at the highest level. Players who are opponent agnostic. Where are we, as a program, getting the majority of these kinds of guys right now since the advent of NIL and the elimination of the sit-out year after transferring? It’s through high school recruiting. Gertrude, Buchanan, Bond, Dunn, Traudt, McKneely… even Beekman who joined pre-portal but kept in house through both opportunity and development are these kinds of players for us.

Meanwhile, since the change in the rules to the portal and as NIL is every increasingly being used each off seasons, as a lure to draw those kinds of players, only Rohde and, maybe you could consider Franklin, have come in at a similar type of talent/upside combination. Everyone else: Gardner, BVP, Harris (TBD), Groves, Minor, are all skilled and more developed players; but ones with limitations who fit more in the mold of guys who can contribute in meaningful ways but who aren’t opponent agnostic.


15 responses to “Hopes For 2023-2024: Playing Time and Rotations”

  1. Stewart Dendtler Avatar
    Stewart Dendtler

    Excellent, thoughtful analysis. IMO, spot on in terms of overall player development / retention strategy. The more I read, the better I felt about the our prospects for the upcoming season.

    Can’t wait to see these guys on the court

    Keep up the good work!

    1. Cuts from The Corner Avatar

      Thank you, very kind! Yes, I agree – this team should be much better than expected and there is a ton of talent on the roster if we can find a way to buck the portal and keep it in-house.

  2. GTA Avatar
    GTA

    I continue to be most worried about the 5 spot. Minor is making a VERY large jump in competition, Buchanan is a first year, Groves is a shooter above all and Dunn, while great, isn’t a realistic option against a true 5. Wonder if Tony is going to go back to the aggressive double team strategy he’s veered away from a bit recently? Of course, that’s challenging if your players are still learning the scheme.

    I have visions of Bacot (in what seems to be his 15th college season) absolutely taking us apart this year…

    Of course, while I’m fretting about the big guys, our cup runneth over with guards and wings. Will be really exciting to see how it plays out. As you say, I hope Tony isn’t overwhelmed by his instinct to play veterans simply because of veteran trust. The best team this year incorporates the young guys, maybe a lot.

  3. DoubleHoo Avatar
    DoubleHoo

    Beekman (and Dunn) taking a very significant step forward on offense seems so critical to lineup flexibility. “Imagine Las Vegas pre-injury Reece but even better and at a much higher volume. The mind reels.” Absolutely. I want that to happen. Bad. And, if that happens, we’ll have crazy lineup flexibility because Reece is a superstar that can play with anyone. And you can go through the same mind-reeling exercise for Dunn playing like a lottery pick, and in doing so enabling even more lineup flexibility.

    Pick on Harris. If Reece is that good, pairing him and Harris is not an issue. Just like the Reece-Kihei pairing was not an issue last November when Reece was playing so well. If Reece is playing at that level, “how he fits with Reece” is nearly irrelevant 2-4. The best fits are simply your best players. In that scenario maybe Harris is one of our best players and maybe not. A 1:1 substitution pattern for 7 mins/game would not make much sense, but Harris being just outside of the rotation wouldn’t be that surprising — it’d just mean he’s not quite one of our best players this year (and the big opportunity for him is next year).

    That said, I’m not sure that type of improvement is a good place to set preseason expectations (vs hopes). Reece has been relatively consistent other than one month; Dunn is coming off a 12 usage rate year. If we assume Reece and Dunn improve incrementally rather than step-wise, we probably still can’t afford to take them off the floor, and now their limitations make lineup fit matter more.

    Pick on Harris again. In this scenario, unless Harris himself has made step-wise improvement as a shooter, a lineup with Harris, Reece and Dunn will have at most one player with gravity (whichever of McKneely or Rohde is in the game). And historically that has not been enough shooting for a successful offensive lineup under Tony. I would say the same thing about Bond, and probably Gertrude since his rep isn’t a plus shooter. I agree that you might play Gertrude to mitigate retention risk, regardless of lineup fit. But that becomes more a discussion on prioritizing minutes among players (Gertrude, Harris and Bond) who are poor fits with the guys we can’t take off the floor (Beekman and Dunn).

    Anyway, I hope you’re right. But for me, that’s a hope more than an expectation right now.

    1. Cuts from The Corner Avatar

      Great thoughts!

      Where I primarily disagree is the Beekman/Harris thing. Sure, Beekman CAN play with anyone if he’s that good – but he’s best used as the primary facilitator and we’re best served, IMO, by having the ball in his hands most of the time and allowing him to facilitate for other scorers/shooters. Given that Harris is not a shooting guard and should not be compared favorably to IMK or Rohde in that way, playing him with Beekman represents the cost of either making HIM the primary facilitator rather than Beek or as a shooting option rather than IMK. Neither are as enticing as the primary option of Beekman facilitating for others, despite the idea that he can be effective at the 2.

      1. DoubleHoo Avatar
        DoubleHoo

        I think we mostly agree.

        It’s just that, in the scenario where Reece is a superstar, I would not be concerned that Harris becomes the primary facilitator. I think those two things are mutually exclusive. It’s true that we have seen Reece defer to Clark in a two-PG lineup. But those couple games in Vegas where Reece actually played like a superstar, Clark was on the court, too. He got out of the way. If Reece is a dominant player, Harris will get out of the way.

        So in that scenario, the question is whether Harris should be one of the players that Reece is facilitating for — i.e., is Harris one of our best players 2-4? I expect the answer to be no because, to your point, he’s not really a scoring guard, and I’d expect playing him would mean sacrificing 3 point shooting. I just wouldn’t think about lineup fit with Reece in this scenario. I’d think about surrounding Reece with as much talent as we can.

        In a different scenario where Reece only improves incrementally year over year, no question I’m thinking about lineup fit with Reece. And I’d assume a Reece-Harris pairing would be as inefficient as a Reece-Clark pairing typically was. That’s not something I’d want to see. But I don’t think that pairing is going to stop Reece from being dominant. That’s up to Reece.

        Season can’t get here fast enough.

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  6. […] to the season – opportunities to improve playing time distribution, and my actual piece on what I hoped would happen from a playing time perspective this year. In both, I made the case that we should be giving Elijah Gertrude a chunk of time during each […]

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  9. @slarjy Avatar
    @slarjy

    Let’s look back at this with 20-20 hindsight.
    * Beekman and Robinson: easy calls
    * Groves and Harris: correct and very well done, much better than most pundits
    * McKneely and Dunn: directionally correct but flipped, with Bennett relying on McKneely even more than expected and repudiating the notion that he just cares about defense
    * Minor and Buchanan: directionally correct, with Minor taking longer than expected to be playable
    * Rohde: Good call, but his limitations, or perhaps hitting what was essentially a freshman wall, led to Murray basically supplanting him at the other wing by the end of the season
    * Bond: big miss – was not in any way an ACC player, with his non-garbage time minutes basically going to Murray
    * This leaves Gertrude who was our most enigmatic player – I have a hard time justifying additional minutes for a guy who was almost certainly performing poorly in practice. I get not trusting him in must-win games like BC 1/2 and GT, but not turning to him earlier against Duke and CSU was puzzling to say the least.

    1. Cuts from The Corner Avatar

      Hi there!

      Appreciate the feedback and I did this exercise here so you can see my thoughts more in depth on where we may agree or disagree: https://cutsfromthecorner.com/2024/03/29/cuts-self-assessment-2024/

      My main two points I’d tackle – I think we’re better off that Leon Bond left based on what we do and how we run our team and agree that was a recruiting miss from the standpoint of how we wanted to play him – but I do think he’s a case of a player who could have been productive had we been willing to be more adaptive at how we play – trying to get creative to suit our personnel. We had a lot of athleticism on the roster to work with last season if we had been willing to use it – and Bond was a defensive terror as a SF and posed a potential mismatch waiting to happen if we had been willing to play him there and then run sets to get him the ball in the post against players who weren’t ACC 4s and 5s. He wasn’t an ACC PF is where I’d agree with you, and we pretty much insisted on using him that way.

      Gertrude – the proof was in what we saw on the floor. Practice is a good assessment of readiness but it can’t be the sole determining factor as to when players play (I think CTB would probably disagree). Some guys are gamers and rise to the occasion and most guys need the actual game reps against real competition to adjust. Also, sometimes it’s just hard to do enough on Green Team to break through and normally it’s determined by other things going on (like Harris’s injury is what got him the run to begin with). CTB puts a lot of faith in his preseason assessments as well, finds players like Rohde who he thinks are one thing, and it’s hard to move him off of that. Sometimes that works out really well and others not as much. Gertrude flashed and contributed in ways other players couldn’t the majority of the time he saw run.

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